            Interview: ATX / Shock!
       done by Tomcat / Controlled Dreams

-   When   I   came  in,  you  told  me  several
interesting information about changes in Shock!.

-  After the FLaG Party, Tsc and Gene decided to
make  "minor"  changes  on the group. This meant
not  only  changing the aspect, but the members,
the  boards, practically everything. They spread
a  textfile about this, in which they write that
because  of  inactivity  and  other reasons they
sack  half  of the group. Even me, as a founder,
was  almost  sacked, with Das. Luckily, we could
eliminate  the  misunderstandings, but there are
still  white  patches according the arrange. Now
the group looks like this:

        Tsc - coder, founder, sysop
        Atx - musician, founder, PR
        Genesis - coder
        Das - graphic artist
        Trajic - musician
        Deansdale - musician
        True - raytracing, rendering

Figaro  is  at the end of his twenties, his work
is more important for him than scene. Rian begun
his activity in Majic12, BBD and Sabe didn't fit
into  the profile. Since a time practically only
I  spread  the files on the boards, and they got
to  FTP  sites  by  Tsc.  I  may  be a Shock!ing
experience   for   some,  but  Shock  lives  and
prospers,  more  productions  coming soon in the
near future.

- In Dada's opinion the Hungarian scene is dead.
What do you think about it?

-  I  think it is not true in this form. Neither
inside  the country, nor abroad have we such bad
reputation.  We  are in the elite of Europe, and
by  this  in  the  world's  elite,  because  the
American  and  Asian  scene  is  far  after  the
European.   The   Hungarian  scene  is  full  of
talented  people, but the forces are divided. We
founded  Shock  as  an  "United Hungarian Scene"
with  about  70  members.  Our imagination (Tsc,
Trs,  and  me)  was  that if Maxwood, Tsc, Rian,
Rendall,  Gene, etc., etc. were working together
on  a  large project, we could wash the European
scene  away.  I  still reserve this idea o'mine,
but I confess, that organizing such a group, and
such a demo or demos would be almost impossible.
Then  we  remain  in having talented people, who
protect the Hungarian scene from death.

-  What  would  you do, if would anyway, against
the  flood  of lameness? I mean, on most parties
there  are  a bunch of khm, 'attenders', who are
only appear for the Doom and lamer compos, while
less   and  less  newcomers  are  interested  in
regular demos.

-  I  think  the  "kill  the  lamers"  and other
slogans  are  outdated,  but I am still dreaming
about  a  party,  where  the less scene-oriented
people  would  get a separate place. Concretely,
it  would  look  like  the  following: the DOOM,
FUN,  LAMER  compos  would take place on Friday,
and  I  would not need to watch weak productions
until  we  reach  the  main attraction, what you
know,  for me and those, who are on the "better"
side  of  the scene, is still the PC demo compo.
We  needn't  bust  the lamers, because they also
pay  for the entry ticket, but we must give them
space  somewhere  else, not in the middle of the
scene  compos.  I am sorry to see that the scene
is  divided  into  two:  those,  who still think
demoing  seriously, and others, who only release
a   lamer   demo,   or  a  music,  and  win  the
Doom/Mortal/Duke Nukem/etc. compos.

-  Others  think  that  scene  is  divided  also
another way: some think elitism = concetiedness,
others not.

-  Thanks for being personal, but since one year
I  took  from  my  face  back. ;) The word elite
doesn't live today. It is faded, outdated, dead.
Some  think  it seriously, and some believe that
the  party, and the compos are just fool's game.
Of  course we need also this, but it must not be
let to dominate.

-  Why  can't we see scene-diskmags nowadays? As
we   know,   Tsc  was  Hungary's  "No.1  article
writer", as someone dunnowhere said...

-  The  explanation  is  simple. Who could write
about  scene  things seriously, that makes demos
instead  of articles, and who can't make a demo,
but  a  text/picture reader and a paging routine
is  up  to  him, he makes a diskmag, but that is
not about what it should be.

-  Now,  yes...  our era's pestilence is dumping
diskmagazines.

-  The  cure is simple: do not read, what is not
good enough.

- What is good?

-  Good  is what interests _YOU_. Good for me (I
can  only  tell this) what is informative, while
funny and affords good reading. There are only a
little  of these mags. But of course the subject
is  also  important:  the  SCENE. And _only_ the
scene. What I read is PAIN. And there are some I
only  run  through:  IMPHOBIA, SCENIAL. I do not
read     Hungarian     magazines    since    the
FreeStyle/Scanner/Runtime times.

-  And  now  personal questions. How many groups
are you in?

- Practically or in spirit?

- Let's say all 2...

-  Practically  I am noted as a member in SHOCK,
ANARCHY  PC,  MFC, LABEL ZERO, and GABBER. In my
spirit  SHOCK  is the most important, and now we
begun hardly to do LABEL ZERO, because there are
no  groups with such style in Hungary, only this
one (only ANSI, ASCII, and specific muzax: acid,
breakbeat, jungle).

- FiRG?

-  The great secret project. In the beginning of
1995  the  idea  was  born  to hold a distorting
mirror  before the scene, and since then we only
release stuffs in which we criticize - sometimes
a bit rudely - the different faces of the scene.
This  is  why  'F–r‚szelni  J˘'  ['It is good to
saw',  a  lamer  demo from SceNEst '96 - Tomcat]
what  was not done by us, because practically it
don't  criticize  anything, but that's good, and
we  laughed  a  lot  on  it.  Now  they  are the
Official  Firgfanclub.  Anyway  the  name of the
groups  came  from  my  idea, when I proposed to
chide  Grif because their name reversed is Firg.
From  that time then we done intrigues with name
Firg.  Maybe  we  will  choose other ways in the
near future...

- What posts do you serve? I mean, by groups.

- In SHOCK, I am a founder, I write musics, what
is  squeezed  into  background  because  of  the
domination of musicians, so my organizery and PR
work is the most important, what I also do these
moments.  Sometimes  I  arrange things, and make
the  group's  path  so  that  other members even
don't  know  about  it.  In  Anarchy,  I  am the
'Hungarian  leader'  =)  and musician. There was
practically nothing released yet from me in that
group,  so I don't think my memberstatus in that
group. Gabber was founded by Melan and me, but I
have  no idea, how is in it now, and what are we
doing,  even  not what I do. The Label Zero is a
duo,   Hanx  and  me.  What  I  wrote  about  it
(ANSI/ASCII/music)  I  also  do.  In MFC, I am a
founder,  it  was  created  by  my and two of my
classmates  in  1992.  It had no special echoes,
some   cracks,   greets,   and  incomprehension,
nothing  else. Luckily, it can not be told about
Shock.

-  Let's  think  that you have to found a group,
only   from   Hungarians,  two  people  for  all
posts...

- The coders would be TSC and GENE, because they
are  the  most  actively  collaborating  pair of
coders  in  Hungary.  The  graphicians  would be
RENDALL  and BEAST. The change would be WARD. He
is  the  best Hungarian hand graphician today, I
think.  I  like  too  much  musicians.  Mark the
correct:   MINSTREL,  TRAJIC,  DEANSDALE,  RIAN,
SNOTTY,  ILLEGAL.  There  is nothing else really
needed  in  a  demogroup,  but  in better groups
there  is  ususally  an  organizer, a raytracer,
and a modemtrader/swapper, but nowadays everyone
swaps, in major or minor, every way. I could get
stuff   enough  to  fill  my  entire  hard  disk
capacity (1,1 GB) twice a week, but despite this
I am not a swapper.

- You told me to ask about your private life.

- I didn't say it. But well. Now I will begin my
first  year on the juristic university. I have a
girlfriend, who is nice and also clever, this is
why  she  doesn't  fit  me,  but  it is good she
exists.   My   family   is   well,  thanks.  ;))
Something concrete, which may interest others.

- Forget it... Previously you reminded me one of
my  questions,  that 'what would you propose for
someone  who  is  beginning the scene just now',
but I ask what you would not propose.

-  Don't  let  you to get under the influence of
others,  neither in style, nor in others. Always
give yourself, and all what you know. Never tell
more,  and  never  less, and also do not want. I
think   real   friendship   is   the   strongest
connecting  force  in  the  scene.  The other is
nearly  the  opposite  of  it:  the competition,
rivalizing.  This  is  what  you must get in, be
enough  for this, and you will be enough for the
scene.

-  What  will  be the end of the Astroidea-Shock
competition?

-  I think, this is the sound of the future, the
ANTIQ,  where  unfortunately I won't be present,
but  Astroidea  only  showed  one demo till this
time. We made 4 demos within 7 months, and three
of  these are quality demos (in timed order, the
last  three,  but we just didn't win first place
with right these, but with 2 Complex, we won two
(Exe  and  PC-X  demo  compo)). Astroidea didn't
even  finish his demo for FLaG, but they want to
make  a big blow on ANTIQ. It is about time they
are  a  bit dropfallen. Me personally don't have
problems  with  anybody,  they  are  a  talented
group,  but  they didn't show enough activity to
really speak about competition.

-  Btw.  future.  Nice plans according this? (in
scene and not scene meaning)

-  A  nice  demo on ANTIQ. Nice productions also
later, activity, but unfortunately everyone will
have less time from autumn. But there will be no
parties   in   the   autumn,  not  counting  the
cancelled EDGE, or the one what I think will not
be  organized, or really weak BRUTAL (anyway, if
you  read  the  BRUTAL  invitation  text,  it is
nearly  the  same to RAGE invitation, only a few
things  are  updated).  You  say  there  will be
CACHE2, but it also "was" last year.

- And here, at the end... Three wishes?

- SHOCK - long life and prosperity!
  GIRLFRIEND - long f*** and more!
  UNIVERSITY - success and stuff... for my own
  life.

Thank  you for the interview, in the name of the
group too.

-  I  would  be  expected  to  say thanks... but
thanks anyway! :)

